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Barack Obama used yesterday's Oval Office meeting with President Bush to press for immediate aid for the struggling US car industry, according to leaked reports.
Mr Bush said that he could support some aid in exchange for approval of a free-trade agreement with Colombia – but there was no sign that either the President-elect or his Democratic colleagues were willing to bend on that issue.
Senior Democrats asked the Administration at the weekend to consider expanding the $700 billion bank bailout package to include assistance for car companies struggling under a legacy of debt and falling sales.
Mr Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said yesterday that the plight of automakers was one of a number of issues discussed in a two-hour meeting with Mr Bush to discuss the transfer of power at a time of war and financial crisis. Other issues included housing, mortgage foreclosures, and, more generally, "the need to get the economy back on track".
The parlous state of the American car industry was highlighted last Friday when General Motors – the biggest US car manufacturer – reported a $2.5 billion net loss for the third quarter, bringing its total losses to nearly $57 billion since the beginning of 2005.
Ford Motor Company’s $129 million quarterly loss, meanwhile, brought to nearly $24.5 billion the deficit it has run up since plunging into the red in 2006. The privately-held Chrysler LLC is also thought to be fast running out of cash – one reason, analysts believe, why its parent, Cerberus Capital Management, was so eager to sell Chrysler to General Motors.
The New York Times, citing unnamed people familiar with the discussion, said that Mr Obama went into his post-election meeting with Mr Bush primed to urge him to support emergency aid for the car industry.
The Bush Administration is reluctant to give carmakers access to the bailout fund, even though the Democrats say it could legally do so.
Linking the issue with the Colombia free trade deal could delay any move until after Mr Obama's inauguration on January 20. US union leaders oppose the agreement because of numerous murders of trade unionists in Colombia at the hands of right-wing paramilitary squads closely linked to the Colombian armed forces.
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The big 3 are in fact tiny employers, 239k is only 0.15% of the workforce . What about the other 99.85%?! I'm sure Obama is smart enough to focus on the 99.85% rather than giving into the powerful car lobby pushing for taxpayer funding of inflated salaries.
jonathan, new york,
Yea lets all let the U.S. Auto Industry fail(they do deserve it). Yea the Unions are crooks. So lets just let them fail. Lets spiral an already weak economy into another Great Depression. The U.S. unemployment rate is already extremely high so let just let them fail and see how high we can push it.
Cody, Hurst, USA
How about getting those ceo's to contribute their last years salary to their companies! Sell their planes! I am sure each one of them could come up with enough money from their personal accounts and still be rich.
cindy, raleigh, USA
Give me your time..30+ yrs. on an automotive assembly line,then squawk about what an autoworker makes.US auto workers make no more than their foreign owned counterparts, do the research. It's the cost of benefits(foreign entities have gov. subsidized health, or none.) Free trade kills!(competition)
Gary, Elwood,
Why havent we seen the Auto Corps seeking concessions from employees to get costs under control? It helped in the aviation industry. Bankruptcy may even be a good option for some in order to realign bloated UAW contracts. Would like to see some effort. Little less pay better than no job at all.
Ken, Illinois, USA
Why is it we never hear about how much UAW members are paid. Many make more than the average physician who practices family medicine. There is no comparison in training, skills, and the value to society..
Ken, Sneads Ferry, NC, USA
UAW should bailout GM not taypayers. GM hourly employees make about $70+/hr and they expect people who make $15/hr to bailout them....We all know UAW invested in Obama campaign and now UAW demands payback from Obama.
Sanjeev, Modesto, USA
i think it is the people of american and throught the world to start looking into new resources other than gas. if we were to put all of this money into new technololgy there would never be a need for gas again. if you are confused on the resources and technology that can obtain please visit
chris graden, new york,
GM and the other two automakers have been building cars that they want the public to drive. This consists of gas guzzeling SUV's that make the automakers more profit, not small cars with low profit. Now those aren't selling. Who should be at fault? They continued to build boats. No long vision.
Mike H, Lansing, MI, USA
Well done Bush - Obama & Pelosi would destroy the entire American economy by attempting to save the US Auto giants.
These companies have already been provided with multi billion loans - subject to implementation of new production strategies.
The bail out fund is designed to prop up global markets.
Richard, Stanstead Abbotts,
The average hourly salary for an auto worker at Ford , GM Chrysler is about $73.20 per hour according to the web site Carpe Diem. The figures cited there are based on a June 2008 bulletin on wages from the US Department of Labor. Lower paid taxpayers should not have to subsidize this pay rate.
earl hickey, Chicago, USA
GM makes vehicles people want:
US sales data - Toyota 1.2 million sales, Honda 0.8 and GM 1.6 million.
Quality -
Camry and Accord outsells Malibu even though Malibu has better MPG, better crash ratings, less compaints & recalls to NHTSA, and more awards. The US makes quality vehicles now.
Greg, Rochester, USA
There's little point in pouring money into a US car industry that isn't making the type of cars that people want. The need for smaller, more economic cars has been apparent for the past ten years but the US has continued to produce large gas guzzlers, and not particularly reliable.
Sue, Sheffield, UK
One more thing - those of you who think that cars made in Detroit are inferior, have you bought an American car in the last 2 decades? I owned a 92 Chevrolet Blazer that had 280,000 miles on it when I RETIRED it never needing to service the engine beyond oil and anti-freeze changes!
GET REAL!
Strider, Minneapolis, MN, USA
Where are you people getting this $85/hr figure? Auto workers don't make anywhere near that kind of money (incl benefits)!
A start on solving this crises would be to enact a national health care program as that would reduce what the auto companies need to pay their employees and their pensioners.
Strider, Minneapolis, MN, USA
AIG's expense for the parties etc. wasn't for executives of that company. It was for the top salespeople, who are in fact independent contractors for the company. They earned those highly lucrative perks by being the best of the best in sales and generating huge amounts of revenue for the company.
phil, Dallas, USA
Why don't you guys try and think for a change? Combustion engine technology, as it now is, is very very dated. Your motor companies that you are so in love with and feel so sorry for, should release to the government the patents on technology which would have made their manufactures obsolete.
Tim, Austin, USA
Why does the UAW not bail them out? They make $85 per hour!
Sam Updike, Lake Wales, Florida, USA
I live outside of Detroit, and we need the automotive bailout or we will all lose our jobs... That is the main source of jobs around here, Automotive companies and other companies related. Our economy in Michigan is horrible right now and people cannot get loans to even buy cars.
George, Auburn Hills, U.S.A.
The car industry in America will sink or swim on the strength of it's own products. Why go pumping billions into a loss making enterprise. Those in the USA are going to learn the lessons of history, just look what happened to the British car and motorcycle industries !
N. Zymes, Liverpool, UK
I'm from Colombia, and Bush support toward the free trade deal is very important for us. Democrats alegate that syndicate (s) killings are very high on Colombia, but the actual data shows that it is safer to belong to a syndicate than to the general population...
Juan Manuel Puyana, Bogota, Colombia
and that killing rate of syndicates has decreaced more than 80% since Uribe came to power, so after these, do you think the democratic argument is valid? I dont...
...and sorry for lame english.
Juan Manuel Puyana, Bogota, Colombia
My first reaction was NO. After all, no one bailed out the horse drawn carriage industry.
Then I realized that they must fall within the 5% that will soon be paying all of the taxes so their employees don't have to. Not to mention the financial burden of pensions, which isn't small.
Hmmmm..
Kate, Maryland, USA
I think president elect Obama should be careful in giving money to GM and Ford. The money should only be used for green automobile R&D and production. There is a reason more americans are buying Toyota; They don't break down all the time! Why not give money to Tesla Motors to create jobs?
Andrew Stone, Boston, USA
I say lend the money needed to keep the business going, but do not lend the money to cover the union/employee health costs etc. At an average of $85.00 an hour, the employees ought to be able to cover their own costs, at least temporarily. Would think they would be happy to have a job.
Penny, Kansas City, Missouri, usa
Bailing out Ford and GM could be disasterous without stipulating that the money be used for green automobiles. There is a reason Americans are buying Toyota cars because they don't break down! Why not give money to Tesla Motors so they can create new jobs! The UAW are crooks.
Andrew, Boston, USA
How can GM and Ford still be solvent? What keeps them from bankrutcy? Surely a company whose debt far outstrips its worth is worthless?
Jaimi, London, UK
If you are bailing out the Banks wouldnt you think the banks should lend money to the auto industry and all the other struggling businesses caught in the down turn? The government now is borrowing money at very low interest rate and intern buying shares of the banks, the beginning of socialism. The banks are supposed to lend that extra infusion of cash to other businesses. Unfortunately their buying other banks
Country First, No Where,
Obama is right. It's 1000's of jobs at stake and once a major car manufacturer falls it isn't replaced - witness the collapse of the UK car industry as oppose the the French and German. Support your large scale manufacturing base or perish.
Mark, Warrington,
With ONE IN TEN U.S. jobs being dependent on the domestic auto industry, it is obvious that failure of the industry would be catastrophic for the economy. That Bush ties his support to Free Trade for the ever- murky Colombians is shameful. But hey! Under Bush, Shame and Scandals are routine!
Garth Strong, Houston, USA
Because millions of people and thousands of families, small businesses and other industries would be impacted by the failure of GM, Chrysler and Ford, to the point that it would very likely collapse our already weak economy. A small struggling software company, sadly, is not as critical to save.
Doug, Las vVegas, USA
King Obama & his Clinton court (change & hope my foot) will soon make the world right. All of Europe with their historical failings are great to judge the U.S.. Exactly how many dictators did they allow to gain power in their countries throughout history. Obama has much to learn at our expense.
R. Gill, Charlotte, United States
well if bush lets the auto industry fail you all will have problems. almost 5 million jobs are tied to the auto industry and 1 job in 10 is related. This country will spiral into a depression if it is allowed to fail. It will look really wierd when our top govt. officials are in toyota's cars.
Ken, Detroit, USA
Why should we bail out the banks let them baileach other otu in mergers Why should they give aig so much money let them fail they clearly cant manage money because they are still throwing parties and planning hunting trips with our money now let aig go and let some one buy them that can manage mone
matt, naples, usa
Clearly, the American auto industry has over-valued its product for years and this has been the case for financial markets as well. I don't believe a total-bailout is deserved for either, however, I would support a financial plan designed to encourage product innovation in the auto industry.
Josh, Charlotte, N.C.,
If you are bailing out the Banks wouldnt you think the banks should lend money to the auto industry and all the other struggling businesses caught in the down turn? The government now is borrowing money at very low interest rate and intern buying shares of the banks, the beginning of socialism. The banks are supposed to lend that extra infusion of cash to other businesses. Unfortunately their buying other banks
mike, chesapeake, usa
The reason why GM & Ford are in trouble, is because for years they have produced junk. No one wants to buy junk, so no one is buying GM & Fords.
Make better cars, sales will increase and profits will increase.
Simple really.
Brent, Hammersmith, London
The US car industry doesnt deserve a bailout because they have consistently failed to improve cars like Japan or Europe because they aways had loyal purchasers. That being said- Why would Bush put the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of US workers at the hands of a Columbia free trade deal?
Brian, Mississauga, Canada
Bush is correct. As hedge fund manager Bill Ackman is saying, the contracts with the UAW must be reworked prior to gaining access to funds, and perhaps through a pre-packaged bankruptcy filing. Otherwise, access to the bailout funds are really a handout to the unions.
George, New York, USA
The difference is that the auto industry can play a key role toward US energy independence. It has a potentially dual role if the terms of the Government aid is re-tooling for the post-industrial revolution. Investments into an infrastructure where one thing serves many purposes is good practice.
Carrie, Charlottesville, USA
Because without US owned automakers we no longer control our transportation needs. We have already given up energy, if we give up autos we mine as well start using the Yen
Jay, Chesapeake Beach, USA
Sorry. Bush is right. Why should the US bailout the car industry, as distinct from other industries? Why is a job for Ford worth more than a job in a struggling software company in Southern California or a cannery in North Carolina. Whether the US car industry survives is down to the industry itself
Mark, Berkhamsted,